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… HumInt — the Key in the Chain [#Op Defensive Edge]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Sunday,July 27th,2014

.. all the technology will not do you a damn bit of good without the information from the hands of the people in the field ..

.. in the intel business , you have to take risks , and risk getting your hands dirty . Israel understands that all too well . Unfortunately , the West does not remember that all that well at all …

.. when it came to World War II , we were all in . We went all in on Human intelligence . Not now …

.. [h/t —]..
.. [link] to the intel lesson …

.. I use this simple lesson from the private Intelligence service DebkaFiles …. it gives you why Human intelligence , or Humint , is so important …

The outcome of the ground phase of Israel’s Defensive Edge Operation may be determined just as much by its unseen battle as by the destruction of more than a dozen Hamas terrorist tunnels and infrastructure Saturday morning, July 19, the 12th day of the operation. This clandestine battle can’t be fought or won by even the most sophisticated high-tech and electronic gadgetry tools. It requires a flexible, shrewd and cautious ground maneuver to be conducted among with the local population – and above all, boots on the ground – for collecting such arcane data as the locations of tunnel openings and other enemy secrets.

This kind of interaction with the locals comes under the heading of HUMINT. IDF obtains its eyes on the ground either voluntarily, inadvertently or by interrogating prisoners.

The spies on the ground of the Shin Bet, IDF combat intelligence-gathering and AMAN field units, trained in clandestine operations in an Arab environment, may pick up data bonanzas from ordinary people in war zones, who are willing to talk out of various motives:

Financial:  Ordinary Gazan Palestinians, in contrast to their ruling elite, are in dire financial distress. They may be persuaded to part with valuable information for a cash reward or a permit to cross into Israel.
Revenge:  They are deeply fragmented by factional and personal rivalries. Certain elements may offer information to settle scores with their opponents.
Safe Guarantee: A Palestinian in Gaza may be willing to sell valuable secrets to buy an IDF guarantee of safety from attack for himself, his family and his property for the duration of the Israeli-Hamas military conflict.
Buying long-term collaborators with financial or medical rewards is one of the key HUMINT operations which are performed under cover of the IDF ground incursion.

Less gentle treatment is meted out to extract information from the dozens of captured Hamas operatives who are being grilled at makeshift sites.

Contrary to conventional assumptions, Israeli interrogators have not found violence to be the most productive method of extracting secrets from unwilling subjects. They obtain their best results by tricks and subterfuge and, dovetailing the information obtained with the data incoming from other sources, human and other.
They also act on the premise that their subjects may be utterly faithful to their national and religious ideals, but some may also human beings, with personal ambitions, wives, ageing parents or sick children in need of medical or other assistance. Therefore, a detailed rundown on the subject’s CV obtained in advance will give the investigator the advantage of knowing where to apply pressure to extract information.

This sort of pressure is apt to produce a gold mine, the key piece of information for unlocking such secrets as the locations of terrorist tunnel openings – the first of which Israel ground forces in fact found Friday night in schools, private homes and greenhouses.

It may also yield from prisoners such valuable data as the whereabouts of the booby traps Hamas rigged for invaders, the identities of contact men, the Hamas chain of command, its combat systems, its technological resources and its command and control centers.



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… the Next Stages in the Battle [#Israel ‘ s War on Hamas]

Posted by paulfromwloh on Sunday,July 27th,2014

.. now what happens …

.. most certainly , Hamas is in big trouble . Most Arab nations (not all) , but many of them , silently are cheering Israel on . They know and understand the threat that Hamas portends for Israel , but also , for others . The bigger threats come from the Muslim Brotherhood , and , also , from I.S.I.L. . They want the threat minimized , if not eliminated . Taking out Hamas would be a big first step ..

.. they also realize that Bibi Netanyahu is one tough customer . He is a smart an able political leader , one that will not be easily toppled for the perch . Not even by Barack Obama …

.. [h/t —]..
.. [link] to the intelligence report ..

.. Bibi is in a strong position . Not an invulnerable one , but a very strong one . Obama can try to pressure him , but unless there is an emergency situation , Obama cannot move Bibi , unless Bibi decides that he wants to move …

.. Bibi also has an effective national government behind him . The other parties , even the Arab ones , understand the threat that Hamas [via Iran] portends . It will be bloody , and it will be expensive , but , in time , it will be worth it …

.. now , on with the ” show … ”

In the coming hours, Israel must decide therefore where to go next.

Israeli ministers will have to decide whether to widen the scale of the counter-terror operation against Hamas and, if the decision is positive, to define its targets and limits.

Precise directives are now imperative because Israel’s war leaders, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon, have changed the Operation Defensive Edge’s goals three times since it was launched 18 days ago.

[-] First, they defined the objective as smashing Hamas military strength ;

[-]  then, to dismantle its rocket-launching and production facilities , and ,

[-] most recently, to demolish the vast subterranean complex of tunnels dug under the Gaza Strip, some of which are “terror” tunnels that snake under the border to Israeli civilian locations.

[-] finally , destruction of Hamas ‘ central command structure and command complex …
Both leaders warned frequently that time would be needed to finish any one of those missions.

And indeed, although much progress has been made, none of those goals has been fully achieved as yet, which was Israel’s overriding military consideration for rejecting a ceasefire at this time.

Above all, the operation has not reached the Hamas high command, which has managed to stay safe in its elaborate bunker under the center of Gaza City, untouched even by heavy Israeli air bombardments.


LEC here again — It will take time , but the first step can be accomplished on the way to the second . It is the second one that will take a great deal of time and effort to finish  . Next will come the attacks on the tunnel systems . More work , more time , but more patience … then , the last one .

.. If you want to kill ” the King , ” go after him  . If you want to  destroy Hamas , then destroy Hamas . It will  send a valuable and long – lasting message to many places …

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