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… Rauner is Up 4 in Illinois [#Illinois Governor]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Thursday,October 23rd,2014

.. and , hopefully , he is there to stay …

.. [h/t — m.NationalReview.com]..
.. [link] to the poll result …

.. Bruce Rauner has had a couple of rocky weeks . He once had a solid 8 to 10 point lead on his DemoCrap opponent , Governor Pat Quinn . That evaporated , and Rauner even fell behind Quinn for the first few weeks of October …

.. that now seems to have changed . Rauner has withstood the DemoCrap slimebombs , taken their best hits , and has come back with a gusto . The superior GOP ground game in Illinois should help . Also , a liberal dose of $$ from Rauner [who is worth more than $100 million] and some spare $$ from the GOP campaign committees should also help out …

.. I am still thinking that Bruce Rauner will be Illinois ‘ next Governor . If the election had been held earlier this month , Quinn would have survived . Not now . Rauner is now charging like gangbusters , and is peaking at the right time …

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… Interesting Poll Results — in Illinois [#you bet!]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Thursday,September 11th,2014

.. no , this is not an outlier , nor is it a joke .

.. Illinois Governor Pat Quinn is in big trouble .

.. Bruce Rauner has not won the race . But , his message is getting through to Illinois voters , and that has to scare the hell out of DemoCraps nationwide . Because , if it will sell in Illinois , boy , it will sell elsewhere in the good ol ‘ U.S.A. …

.. [h/t — politics.SunTimes.com]..
.. [link] to the news article ..

.. Basically , Rauner is leading Quinn , 47 % to 34 % . Ouch . Illinois voters are not entierely sold on Rauner ‘ s economic plan . But , they are much more willing to give Rauner a fighting chance to give his plan a chance to work . Which also means his potentioal victory , if it happens , could have some serious coattails …

.. the Illinois legislature is , as one would think , controlled by the DemoCraps . It is 40 to 19 in the State Senate [one – half of seats up] , and it is 71 to 48 in the State House [all seats up] …. the Senate would likely not swing , but the State House is different …. Also , a number of moderate Democrats could be persuaded to switch parties . It has happened else , so why not Illinois …

.. with the State Senate , it depends on what seats that are up . The Illinois House is a different matter . Things got realclose after 2010 , but then came redistrictiong , and now the current advantage . A large victory , combined with a swing in one or both chambers would be of huge help to a Gov Rauner …

.. Rauner is no moderate . He is definitely a conservative . Not quite a TEa Partier , though . Conservative in Illinois is more than good enough …

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… Concealed Carry is Coming , Govenor Quinn — Get Over It …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,July 9th,2013

Concealed Carry is Coming , Patrick

Get Over It

.. today is the day .

.. and , the Illinois Legislature should fully reject Governor Pat Quinn ’ s gun bill changes

.. today , the General Assembly will convene in Springfield. Its first action should be a swift override of Governor Pat Quinn’s amendatory veto of the concealed carry bill.

.. the short porch is this — the U. S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals has found Illinois longstanding and outright ban on firearm being carried by civilians unconstitutional . This ban applies completely to any guns , at all , period . Not just to concealed – carry , contrary to news reports . The carry ban in public is gone , period . End of Story .

.. The Appeals Court has given the State of Illinois until July 9th [today] to come up with a full solution . This state is , at this moment , remains the last state in the union with no provision for firearm carry by ordinary citizens.

.. State Rep. Brandon Phelps , D-Harrisburg, a longtime Second Amendment defender, is one of the sponsors and was one of the lead downstate negotiators on legislation that finally got enough Chicago Democrats — including House Speaker Michael Madigan and Senate President John Cullerton — on board.

.. Amazingly enough , a fairly neutral bill made its way through the Illinois Legislature .  A bill hardly light on background checks , carry restrictions , no – gun zones , training , and other serious matters easily cleared both chambers with impressive super-majority votes in both chambers: 89-28 in the House and 45-12 in the Senate. The final bill was no sweetheart of the National Rifle Association or the Illinois State Rifle Association, which both backed up and took a formal positions of “neutral.” Some of those groups own members, as well as other pro – gun groups, ripped the potential law as too restrictive, vague and open to abuse by police.

.. Incredibly enough , Governor Quinn did not want to call it a day . He wanted a stronger bill . One which may not meet the requirements of the Appeals Court . A week before the court-imposed deadline for action, Quinn used his amendatory veto powers to issue a broad rewrite of the carry bill . Quinn ’ s rewrite would make permits even tougher to get , and it would further reduce the already-restricted places the public could carry. If not overridden, his veto effectively guts the bill.

.. Whether his actions were spurred by deep conviction , or they were motivated by practical politics, the governor’s broad amendatory veto overreached.

.. Quinn , for all his traits, seem to have waved a dismissive hand at everyone outside the city limits of Chicago, not to mention some well-informed people there who can strongly argue that guns are not the cause of Chicago’s horrendous homicide problem.

.. The Appeals Court , and the people of the State of Illinois have spoken . They have acted through their elected representatives , and they support concealed carry. Quinn’s attempt to gut the bill seems to speak volumes of his disregard for citizens other than those from his own shrinking fan club.

.. State Representative Phelps has already filed his motion to override, and he believes the bill as originally sent to Quinn has the support of both the membership numbers and the legislative leadership.

.. Quinn’s amendatory veto is bad law and bad politics.

.. The General Assembly needs to override Quinn’s veto in its entirety and send him a clear message: This political fight is over .

.. then , and only then , will the Appeals Court act , and then they may accept this bill , and think about it . They may not . Moore v. Madigan would then go into full effect . Then all hell would break loose in Illinois . Even POTUS may well be drawn into the fray .

.. The old carry ban would be gone . Not only that , the concealed – carry ban would be gone , as well . The Illinois Legislature would then have to step in , somehow .

It would turn the streets and woodlands of the state into the Wild West .

.. to be honest , that may not be such a bad idea . The bad guys and gals would have to be afraid . Very afraid . The people that they would be trying to pick on would finally be able to legally defend themselves . It is about damn time !

== Update [July 9th,2013] ==

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Illinois was poised to become the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns as lawmakers rushed Tuesday to finalize a proposal ahead of a federal court’s deadline.

Both chambers of the Legislature were convening to try to override changes Gov. Pat Quinn made to the bill they approved more than a month ago. Even some critics of the law argued approving something was better than letting the courts allow virtually unregulated concealed weapons in Chicago, which has endured severe gun violence in recent months.

The Senate planned to take up the measure Tuesday, after the House voted 77-31 to override the Democratic governor’s amendatory veto. Quinn had used his veto authority to suggest changes such as prohibiting guns in restaurants that serve alcohol and limiting gun-toting citizens to one firearm at a time.

LEC here — the Illinois House has now voted . It is now time for the Illinois Senate to do likewise …

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… I meant It ! The Illinois Gun Bill is …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Monday,June 17th,2013

.. junk it. it has passed the Illinois legislature , and by overwhelming majorities . They will be enough to over – ride any possible veto by Illinois Governor Pat Quinn (D) . It does not mean that it is good law  . I do not think that it is good enough . Not even close .

.. I will guarantee you , Quinn does not like the bill . He hates it . He also realizes that Illinois ‘ finances are in the tank . And POTUS is

English: Illinois Governor Pat Quinn addresses...

Illinois Governor Pat Quinn (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

no help . They have bigger fish to fry .

.. However , the court case (Moore v Madigan) and the Federal Court (the 7th Circuit) have given them no choice . They have to deal with it . If they do not , then the court will , by throwing out the whole schebang . Then things will get really wild , where there is no law at all  . They are scared of that , but they are even more scared of an appeal  to the U.S. Supreme Court .

.. If this one were to land in D.C. (whose gun laws are even more ridiculous) , then it could make the circus in Illinois pale in comparison to what could happen nationwide . There are some states ,  such as New York ‘ s Williams Act and SAFE Act , that could conceivably be in danger if Moore v Madigan went to D.C.

.. Of all irony , the Federal Appeals Court (the Seventh Circuit) sits in Chicago . They have to watching all of this that is going on with a great deal of interest . They have already made their ruling in Moore v. Madigan , but have stayed it . They have also granted an extension , so that Quinn can evaluate it , either sign or veto it , and then the Legislature can attempt to override . It means that Quinn and the legislature effectively have , no pun intended , well maybe it is , a ” gun at their head . ” They have to do something . No excuses . No cheapy exit strategy . And the court is watching .

.. In my previous post , I linked to that CBS Chicago piece about all of the carnage from that weekend . What a bloodbath . Chicago ‘ s gun laws are a joke . An obscene joke . People are dying because they cannot defend themselves . It is about damn time that they can . And not with that bloody  FOID card . A state I.D. or driver ‘ s license should do , along with a clean (no felonies) criminal record .

.. Requiring training for concealed carry makes sense . Most of the states that have it require it . I am from Ohio . Ohio has it . Ohio is also a “shall issue ” state . it means , once you complete the course , apply for the permit , and complete the criminal background check (no felonies , of course) , you may receive the permit . Yea , it does not mean that you can behave like Wyatt Earp and his brothers at the O.K. Corral . Ohio has quite a few restrictions on where guns are allowed , and not allowed [to deal with the concealed – carry permits] . But , here murders are waaay down . Not in Chicago . Their murder rate is “through the roof . ”

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