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… The Banks may Not Like It [#Puerto Rico][#debt][#bankruptcy][#default]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Saturday,January 7th,2017

.. the banks are really going to hate this . But , it will teach them an important lesson about loans and U.S. governments , in particular the states . They will have to book their losses , and quit whining ..

.. Puerto Rico is going to have to be realistic . Their government is far too big . Their debt load is far too large for them to manage properly . also , their scope of their government and services is waaay too broad . Simple , the commonwealth cannot afford the current size of government . Things will have to change ..

.. [h/t — Newsmax.com/Finance]..
.. [link] to the news story ..

.. now , will our Congress create a Chapter 9 style bankruptcy system for the states . Some of them are eventually going to need it .. [read : Illinois] ..

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… A Great and Dynamic Interview [#Caroline Glick]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Monday,January 2nd,2017

.. Ms Glick appeared on THE Mark Levin [radio] show the other night  …

.. Caroline Glick knows what she is talking about . She is married , a mother of two kids , but she is also a veteran of the I.D.F. intelligence branch for a number of years . She did that before she entered into journalism …

.. [h/t — theRightScoop.com]..
.. [link] to the interview segment ..

.. you may wonder why she knows the ObamaCraps so well , especially from reading her column at CarolineGlick.com . Easy . She is a dual national , having been born here in the U.S. in the Hyde Park section of Chicago , Illinois . yep , it is the same section of Chicagoland that His Lordship and his family live in now …

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… Ouch [#someone needs to get with the program]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,May 17th,2016

.. I am talking about a DemoCrap Congresscritter , Congresswoman Tammy Duckworth of Illinois …

.. She has to be taking flack for this . The Clintons are notorious for tight message management . It even applies to members of Congress . So she is going to catch heat for this …

.. she is [however] one not to be trifled with . She is a veteran member of Congress , a member of several terms of standing . Also , she is a war heroine . She lost parts of both of her legs in war service [in the US Army] in Iraq [in Operation Iraqi Freedom] . She received the Bronze Star , the Silver Star , the Purple Heart , and the Distinguished Service Cross . So , she is no wuss …

.. [h/t — DailyCaller.com]..
.. [link] to the blog post // video clip …

.. she was being brutally honest and frank about what had happened with Miz Hillary and her e – mail . More so since she would be a strong cinch to be a Miz Hillary supporter in a possible presidential campaign . So this one has to sting …

.. it also means that Miz Hillary is in even more trouble than before . Having a private e – mail system for official business was already a big no – no . The private server was an even bigger no – no . But the likelihood of the improper use , storage , and transmittal of classified material is a real topper . A special prosecutor can now no longer be avoided …

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… Tammy Duckworth was Screwed [#pregnancy]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Wednesday,November 26th,2014

.. literally ..

.. Representative Duckworth is pregnant . Normally that is no big whoopee . she is an ultraliberal DemoCrap . Her politics are about as liberal as mine are conservative …

.. but , she is a war heroine …

.. she has served our country honorably , and lost parts of 2 legs in her combat service . She fought bravely , and with combat decorations . She worked her butt off to get back into politics . It took time , but she did do it …

.. [h/t — RollCall.com]..
.. [link] to the news article …

.. Congresswoman Duckworth is unable to travel for the remaining months of her pregnancy . As a result , she is pinned back home in the Chicagoland suburban area where her district is located . She cannot right now travel to Fantasyland on the Potomac …

.. so , it should be within caucus rules [or , to make an exception] to allow Duckworth to vote by proxy in caucus leadership elections and other affairs . Except the House DemoCrap leadership is not allowing her to do so …

.. they liberally [how else?!?!] throw around the ” War on Women ” tag at the GOP . Then they pull a grotesque stunt like this on one of their own ?? …

.. what a bunch of goddamn hypocrites !! …

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… This Guy has Guts (Corey Brooks –> Illinois) [#Governor ‘ s Race]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Sunday,November 2nd,2014

.. this guy has not endorsed candidates before …

.. he is a first – time endorser , and who does he endorse ? …

.. you got it ! … Bruce Rauner [the GOP candidate] for Governor …

.. [h/t — theRightScoop.com]..
.. [link] to the blog post // video segment …

.. he is a pastor , a husband , a father , a black man , a role model , a community leader …

.. so what does he get for his troubles ? …

.. his church gets broken into , and he gets death threats …

.. and they call the DemoCrap party the party of peace and tolerance ?!?! Yeah , Right ….

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… Another Newspaper Endorsement for Bruce Rauner [#Illinois Governor]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,October 28th,2014

.. and this one is a big surprise …

.. why ? it is the Chicago Sun – Times …

.. [h/t — m.NationalReview.com]..
.. [link] to the newspaper endorsement …

.. the timing could not be better . EArly voting has begun in Illinois , and the endorsements of both the Tribune and the Sun – Times will [or should be] be of help to Rauner on gathering votes from suburbanites in the Chicagoland area and the surrounding countines …

.. downstate , the folks could not care less . Up around Chicago , and the surrounding counties , it matters a lot , or , hopefully it will . Keeping Quinn ‘ s margin ‘ s down in the Chicagoland area [like what happened in the DemoCrap primary] will be of great help to Rauner and the rest of the GOP ticket ….

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… Rauner is Up 4 in Illinois [#Illinois Governor]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Thursday,October 23rd,2014

.. and , hopefully , he is there to stay …

.. [h/t — m.NationalReview.com]..
.. [link] to the poll result …

.. Bruce Rauner has had a couple of rocky weeks . He once had a solid 8 to 10 point lead on his DemoCrap opponent , Governor Pat Quinn . That evaporated , and Rauner even fell behind Quinn for the first few weeks of October …

.. that now seems to have changed . Rauner has withstood the DemoCrap slimebombs , taken their best hits , and has come back with a gusto . The superior GOP ground game in Illinois should help . Also , a liberal dose of $$ from Rauner [who is worth more than $100 million] and some spare $$ from the GOP campaign committees should also help out …

.. I am still thinking that Bruce Rauner will be Illinois ‘ next Governor . If the election had been held earlier this month , Quinn would have survived . Not now . Rauner is now charging like gangbusters , and is peaking at the right time …

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… Ouch — Another Endorsement [#Illinois Governor]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,October 21st,2014

.. the Chicago Tribune endorsed a candidate in Illinois …

.. and it was not Pat Quinn ..

.. Bruce Rauner ? You got it …

.. [h/t — m.NationalReview.com]…
.. [link] to the endorsement article …

.. the Triune [and 2 other Chicagoland area papers , the Daily Herald and Crain ‘ s Chicago Business] cited Rauner ‘ s business experience and his outsider moxie . Quinn , whose supposed ” surge ” in the polls is an ad – imposed barrage , is yet still trailing Rauner in the polls by 2 to 3 points …

.. I think that Rauner will end up winning this one , especially after kicking Quinn ‘ s ass on the debate stage . Scandals coming out one after the other the last few weeks will help persuade Illinois voters to toss out the rascal …

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… Nice Commercial , Coach [#Ditka]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Monday,September 15th,2014

.. Coach Mike Ditka does a political commercial for GOP governor candidate Bruce Rauner in the Illinois governor ‘ s race …

.. [h/t — Newsmax.com]..
.. [link] to the commercial …

.. Rauner is still leading , by around 9 to 11 % …. so far , so good …. and the Illinois DemoCraps are beginning to panic over the downballot races , as well as up-for-grabs races in the state legislature …

.. stay tuned …

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… Interesting Poll Results — in Illinois [#you bet!]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Thursday,September 11th,2014

.. no , this is not an outlier , nor is it a joke .

.. Illinois Governor Pat Quinn is in big trouble .

.. Bruce Rauner has not won the race . But , his message is getting through to Illinois voters , and that has to scare the hell out of DemoCraps nationwide . Because , if it will sell in Illinois , boy , it will sell elsewhere in the good ol ‘ U.S.A. …

.. [h/t — politics.SunTimes.com]..
.. [link] to the news article ..

.. Basically , Rauner is leading Quinn , 47 % to 34 % . Ouch . Illinois voters are not entierely sold on Rauner ‘ s economic plan . But , they are much more willing to give Rauner a fighting chance to give his plan a chance to work . Which also means his potentioal victory , if it happens , could have some serious coattails …

.. the Illinois legislature is , as one would think , controlled by the DemoCraps . It is 40 to 19 in the State Senate [one – half of seats up] , and it is 71 to 48 in the State House [all seats up] …. the Senate would likely not swing , but the State House is different …. Also , a number of moderate Democrats could be persuaded to switch parties . It has happened else , so why not Illinois …

.. with the State Senate , it depends on what seats that are up . The Illinois House is a different matter . Things got realclose after 2010 , but then came redistrictiong , and now the current advantage . A large victory , combined with a swing in one or both chambers would be of huge help to a Gov Rauner …

.. Rauner is no moderate . He is definitely a conservative . Not quite a TEa Partier , though . Conservative in Illinois is more than good enough …

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… Bruce Rauner is Still the Favourite [#Illinois Governor]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,September 9th,2014

.. even though the race might be tightening …

.. yes , the polls say that Rauner ‘ s lead is down to 8 points . It also now takes into account that there is a libertarian in the race …

.. [h/t — m.NationalReview.com]..
.. [link] to the news / poll …

.. it is rare for libertarians to run in Illinois . Yes , they do have an organized Libertarian party there . Given the circumstances , the DemoCraps would attack and demagogue Bruce Rauner on almost anything …

.. it just reminds the GOP to keep its eye on the ball , and its intent on its campaign message . Adjust the message , if needed . Pound on Quinn for the slimebombs , when needed . He deserves it . But remember what is at stake …

.. Illinois ‘ future , and that of our country …

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… Illinois DemoCraps — Send in the Goons …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Thursday,August 7th,2014

.. well , the other day , Gov. Pat Quinn was having a news conference in Chicago ..

.. the problem was that it was on public property , and it was open to the public …

.. [h/t — theRightScoop]..
.. [link] to the evidence ..

.. a videographer for Republican Governor candidate Bruce Rauner was physically manhandled , and removed from the event …

.. what for ?? you end up looking stupid , and the bad press backfires on you …

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… Smart Move by Illinois State Police [#right of self defense]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Wednesday,July 30th,2014

.. at least someone in Illinois is using their thinking cap .

.. hopefully , soon – to – be former Gov. Quinn & Company will keep their hands off of this . It will save them a great deal of grief in court cases and court costs …

.. [h/t — TruthRevolt]..
.. [link] to the blog article …

.. what was originally done was that Concealed Carry permit applicants were turned down , and not given a reason . Someone should have known better . At least the State Police is thinking , I hope …

concealed carry photo

.. what will be done now is that , if one is turned down for a C.C.L. license , then they will be given a reason . That reason will , presumably , give the person the jurisdiction or location who is sticking their nose in the works . It will then give them a fairer chance and a lot less grief over the process …

.. most folks are of limited means . They usually have good reason for a C.C.L. license . When they are turned down , they should be told . Nowadays , they can get help from various gun – rights groups that will be set up in a position to help the public with the bureaucratic maze in Illinois …

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… Victory at the Supreme Court [#Harris v. Quinn]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Monday,July 7th,2014

.. hell , yeah !! ..

.. now , Pamela Harris can take care of her son in peace . Also , the unions [the S.E.I.U., in particular] can keep their collective noses out of a a disabled parent ‘ s business , caring for their loved one or elderly relative , in a home setting ..

.. what the public unions have been doing is nothing short of a power play . These are people who receive public subsidy money for taking care of their loved ones in their homes . Even nurses aides and private care nurses are swept up in this powergrab by the public sector unions …

.. [h/t — HotAir]..

.. [link] to  the blog news ..

.. these people are not public employees . They are not hired , fired , or are disciplined by the state or other jurisdiction . They are their own private employer , not anything else …

.. from HotAir …

The decision in this case narrowly centered on that distinction, but offers a window into a path for broader rollbacks of forced participation in PEU funding:

The Supreme Court dealt a blow to public sector unions Monday, ruling that thousands of home health care workers in Illinois cannot be required to pay fees that help cover the union’s costs of collective bargaining.

In a 5-4 split along ideological lines, the justices said the practice violates the First Amendment rights of nonmembers who disagree with the positions that unions take.

The ruling is a setback for labor unions that have bolstered their ranks — and bank accounts — in Illinois and other states by signing up hundreds of thousands of in-home care workers. It could lead to an exodus of members who will have little incentive to pay dues if nonmembers don’t have to share the burden of union costs.

But the ruling was limited to this particular segment of workers and it stopped short of overturning decades of practice that has generally allowed public sector unions of teachers, firefighters and other government workers to pass through their representation costs to nonmembers.

This AP read misses one essential fact from the Harris opinion, which is that it’s not about “nonmembers” at all, but about non-employees. “PAs are much different from public employees,” the court held in the majority opinion. The appellate court had found in favor of Illinois using Abood, which upheld the demand for “agency fees” from employees in a union shop that refused to join the union and/or objected to dues going to political activities. But Abood assumes that the union’s collective bargaining benefits non-members as well as members, which is only true if they have the same employment status.

That’s not the case in Harris, which means that agency fees cannot be collected:

The Illinois Legislature has taken pains to specify that personal assistants are public employees for one purpose only: collective bargaining. For all other pur­poses, Illinois regards the personal assistants as private­ sector employees. This approach has important practical consequences.

For one thing, the State’s authority with respect to these two groups is vastly different. In the case of full-fledged public employees, the State establishes all of the duties imposed on each employee, as well as all of the qualifica­tions needed for each position. The State vets applicants and chooses the employees to be hired. The State provides or arranges for whatever training is needed, and it supervises and evaluates the employees’ job performance and imposes corrective measures if appropriate. If a state employee’s performance is deficient, the State may dis­charge the employee in accordance with whatever proce­dures are required by law.

None of this applies to the PAs, nor does the state assume any liability for the conduct of PAs, either. The intrusion of state-imposed unionization of individual homes and employment would “invite problems,” chiefly on where to draw the lines:

Consider a continuum, ranging, on the one hand, from full-fledged state employees to, on the other hand, individuals who follow a common calling and benefit from advocacy or lobbying conducted by a group to which they do not belong and pay no dues. A State may not force every person who benefits from this group’s efforts to make payments to the group. See Lehnert, 500 U. S., at 556 (opinion of SCALIA, J.). But what if regula­tion of this group is increased? What if the Federal Gov­ernment or a State begins to provide or increases subsidies in this area? At what point, short of the point at which the individuals in question become full-fledged state em­ployees, should Abood apply?

If respondents’ and the dissent’s views were adopted, a host of workers who receive payments from a governmen­tal entity for some sort of service would be candidates for inclusion within Abood’s reach. Medicare-funded home health employees may be one such group. See Brief for Petitioners 51; 42 U. S. C. §1395x(m); 42 CFR §424.22(a). The same goes for adult foster care providers in Oregon
(Ore. Rev. Stat. §443.733 (2013)) and Washington (Wash. Rev. Code §41.56.029 (2012)) and certain workers under the federal Child Care and Development Fund programs (45 CFR §98.2).

Clearly this anticipates a much wider claim of government authority had Harris proceeded along the path granted by the lower courts.

However, the problems for PEUs don’t end there with the Harris opinion. The fate of Abood, which allows for forced collection of agency fees, looks potentially gloomy, depending on whether it gets challenged on its own. Justice Samuel Alito strongly hints that Abood itself might get reversed if directly challenged:

The Abood Court’s analysis is questionable on several grounds. Some of these were noted or apparent at or before the time of the decision, but several have become more evident and troubling in the years since then.

The Abood Court seriously erred in treating Hanson and Street as having all but decided the constitutionality of compulsory payments to a public-sector union. As we have explained, Street was not a constitutional decision at all, and Hanson disposed of the critical question in a single, unsupported sentence that its author essentially aban­doned a few years later. Surely a First Amendment issue of this importance deserved better treatment.

The Abood Court fundamentally misunderstood the holding in Hanson, which was really quite narrow. As the Court made clear in Street, “all that was held in Hanson was that [the RLA] was constitutional in its bare authori­zation of union-shop contracts requiring workers to give ‘financial support’ to unions legally authorized to act as their collective bargaining agents.” 367 U. S., at 749 (emphasis added). In Abood, on the other hand, the State of Michigan did more than simply authorize the imposition of an agency fee. A state instrumentality, the Detroit Board of Education, actually imposed that fee. This pre­sented a very different question.

This case did not challenge Abood but rather its extension to private-sector employees paid in part with subsidies from the state. That’s probably why the 5-4 majority didn’t summon the will to directly address Abood, but Alito has done everything except send semaphore signals to interested parties that might want to take a whack at overturning it. That would address the issues of PEU reform at its core by essentially mandating open shops in public-sector bureaucracies.

The direct ruling on Harris is bad enough for PEUS, but it may mean something worse down the line. For politicians looking to sell out home health-care workers to curry favor with union donors, it’s the end of one part of the gravy train, and an end to a potential line of reasoning that may have trapped a much wider part of the private sector into the government’s web of control and corruption.

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… Nicely Done , Illinois [Gun Bill passes]…

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,July 9th,2013

.. the Legislature , that is .

.. and to you , Governor Patrick Quinn . Up yours ! ..

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Illinois became the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns as lawmakers rushed Tuesday to finalize a proposal ahead of a federal court’s deadline.

Both chambers of the Legislature voted to override changes Gov. Pat Quinn made to the bill they approved more than a month ago. Even some critics of the law argued it was better to approve something rather than risk the courts allowing virtually unregulated concealed weapons in Chicago, which has endured severe gun violence in recent months.

The Senate voted 41-17 in favor of the override Tuesday afternoon after the House voted 77-31, margins that met the three-fifths threshold needed to set aside the amendatory veto. Quinn had used his veto authority to suggest changes such as prohibiting guns in restaurants that serve alcohol and limiting gun-toting citizens to one firearm at a time.

Rep. Brandon Phelps, a Democrat from southern Illinois, predicted a history-making day in which lawmakers would dismiss Quinn’s changes as politically motivated.

The law as approved by the Legislature permits anyone with a Firearm Owner’s Identification card who has passed a background check and undergone gun-safety training of 16 hours – longest of any state – to obtain a concealed-carry permit for $150.

The Illinois State Police would have six months to set up a system to start accepting applications. Spokeswoman Monique Bond said police expect 300,000 applications in the first year.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in December that it’s unconstitutional for Illinois to ban concealed carry. The court gave state officials until June 9 to rectify the shortfall, and later extended that by a month.

.. Opinions varied about what would have happened had a law not taken effect. Gun supporters said it would have meant with no law governing gun possession, any type of firearm could be carried anywhere, at any time. Those supporting stricter gun control said local communities would have been able to set up tough restrictions.

.. Gun –  Rights advocates got the permissive law they wanted . They could well have gotten instead a New York-style plan that gives law enforcement authorities wide discretion over who gets permits . In exchange, Chicago Democrats repulsed by gun violence got a long list of places deemed off limits to guns, including schools, libraries, parks and mass transit buses and trains.

LEC here — I believe that the Federal Appeals Court will sign off on this bill . It may not be everything that they want . But the Illinois Legislature went through one hell of a fight to get to this point .

.. Even so , Moore v. Madigan will still be hanging over the heads and hands of Quinn and the Legislature . If there is any backsliding , any at all , the plaintiffs and / or the Court could re – open the case . If that were to happen , then God in Heaven help the people of the State of Illinois .

.. As to the above , and it could still happen if the Court rejects the bill , it would be anything , anywhere , at anytime , for anyone . The  court case would mean no restrictions would be allowed , period . Only if they were done state – wide would they be allowed at all .

.. I wonder . Will the court allow the F.O.I.D. process ,  or force the state to allow citizens to produce just legal id [driver license , passport , or state id] ? I will check the decision to see …

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… Concealed Carry is Coming , Govenor Quinn — Get Over It …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,July 9th,2013

Concealed Carry is Coming , Patrick

Get Over It

.. today is the day .

.. and , the Illinois Legislature should fully reject Governor Pat Quinn ’ s gun bill changes

.. today , the General Assembly will convene in Springfield. Its first action should be a swift override of Governor Pat Quinn’s amendatory veto of the concealed carry bill.

.. the short porch is this — the U. S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals has found Illinois longstanding and outright ban on firearm being carried by civilians unconstitutional . This ban applies completely to any guns , at all , period . Not just to concealed – carry , contrary to news reports . The carry ban in public is gone , period . End of Story .

.. The Appeals Court has given the State of Illinois until July 9th [today] to come up with a full solution . This state is , at this moment , remains the last state in the union with no provision for firearm carry by ordinary citizens.

.. State Rep. Brandon Phelps , D-Harrisburg, a longtime Second Amendment defender, is one of the sponsors and was one of the lead downstate negotiators on legislation that finally got enough Chicago Democrats — including House Speaker Michael Madigan and Senate President John Cullerton — on board.

.. Amazingly enough , a fairly neutral bill made its way through the Illinois Legislature .  A bill hardly light on background checks , carry restrictions , no – gun zones , training , and other serious matters easily cleared both chambers with impressive super-majority votes in both chambers: 89-28 in the House and 45-12 in the Senate. The final bill was no sweetheart of the National Rifle Association or the Illinois State Rifle Association, which both backed up and took a formal positions of “neutral.” Some of those groups own members, as well as other pro – gun groups, ripped the potential law as too restrictive, vague and open to abuse by police.

.. Incredibly enough , Governor Quinn did not want to call it a day . He wanted a stronger bill . One which may not meet the requirements of the Appeals Court . A week before the court-imposed deadline for action, Quinn used his amendatory veto powers to issue a broad rewrite of the carry bill . Quinn ’ s rewrite would make permits even tougher to get , and it would further reduce the already-restricted places the public could carry. If not overridden, his veto effectively guts the bill.

.. Whether his actions were spurred by deep conviction , or they were motivated by practical politics, the governor’s broad amendatory veto overreached.

.. Quinn , for all his traits, seem to have waved a dismissive hand at everyone outside the city limits of Chicago, not to mention some well-informed people there who can strongly argue that guns are not the cause of Chicago’s horrendous homicide problem.

.. The Appeals Court , and the people of the State of Illinois have spoken . They have acted through their elected representatives , and they support concealed carry. Quinn’s attempt to gut the bill seems to speak volumes of his disregard for citizens other than those from his own shrinking fan club.

.. State Representative Phelps has already filed his motion to override, and he believes the bill as originally sent to Quinn has the support of both the membership numbers and the legislative leadership.

.. Quinn’s amendatory veto is bad law and bad politics.

.. The General Assembly needs to override Quinn’s veto in its entirety and send him a clear message: This political fight is over .

.. then , and only then , will the Appeals Court act , and then they may accept this bill , and think about it . They may not . Moore v. Madigan would then go into full effect . Then all hell would break loose in Illinois . Even POTUS may well be drawn into the fray .

.. The old carry ban would be gone . Not only that , the concealed – carry ban would be gone , as well . The Illinois Legislature would then have to step in , somehow .

It would turn the streets and woodlands of the state into the Wild West .

.. to be honest , that may not be such a bad idea . The bad guys and gals would have to be afraid . Very afraid . The people that they would be trying to pick on would finally be able to legally defend themselves . It is about damn time !

== Update [July 9th,2013] ==

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Illinois was poised to become the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns as lawmakers rushed Tuesday to finalize a proposal ahead of a federal court’s deadline.

Both chambers of the Legislature were convening to try to override changes Gov. Pat Quinn made to the bill they approved more than a month ago. Even some critics of the law argued approving something was better than letting the courts allow virtually unregulated concealed weapons in Chicago, which has endured severe gun violence in recent months.

The Senate planned to take up the measure Tuesday, after the House voted 77-31 to override the Democratic governor’s amendatory veto. Quinn had used his veto authority to suggest changes such as prohibiting guns in restaurants that serve alcohol and limiting gun-toting citizens to one firearm at a time.

LEC here — the Illinois House has now voted . It is now time for the Illinois Senate to do likewise …

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… I meant It ! The Illinois Gun Bill is …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Monday,June 17th,2013

.. junk it. it has passed the Illinois legislature , and by overwhelming majorities . They will be enough to over – ride any possible veto by Illinois Governor Pat Quinn (D) . It does not mean that it is good law  . I do not think that it is good enough . Not even close .

.. I will guarantee you , Quinn does not like the bill . He hates it . He also realizes that Illinois ‘ finances are in the tank . And POTUS is

English: Illinois Governor Pat Quinn addresses...

Illinois Governor Pat Quinn (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

no help . They have bigger fish to fry .

.. However , the court case (Moore v Madigan) and the Federal Court (the 7th Circuit) have given them no choice . They have to deal with it . If they do not , then the court will , by throwing out the whole schebang . Then things will get really wild , where there is no law at all  . They are scared of that , but they are even more scared of an appeal  to the U.S. Supreme Court .

.. If this one were to land in D.C. (whose gun laws are even more ridiculous) , then it could make the circus in Illinois pale in comparison to what could happen nationwide . There are some states ,  such as New York ‘ s Williams Act and SAFE Act , that could conceivably be in danger if Moore v Madigan went to D.C.

.. Of all irony , the Federal Appeals Court (the Seventh Circuit) sits in Chicago . They have to watching all of this that is going on with a great deal of interest . They have already made their ruling in Moore v. Madigan , but have stayed it . They have also granted an extension , so that Quinn can evaluate it , either sign or veto it , and then the Legislature can attempt to override . It means that Quinn and the legislature effectively have , no pun intended , well maybe it is , a ” gun at their head . ” They have to do something . No excuses . No cheapy exit strategy . And the court is watching .

.. In my previous post , I linked to that CBS Chicago piece about all of the carnage from that weekend . What a bloodbath . Chicago ‘ s gun laws are a joke . An obscene joke . People are dying because they cannot defend themselves . It is about damn time that they can . And not with that bloody  FOID card . A state I.D. or driver ‘ s license should do , along with a clean (no felonies) criminal record .

.. Requiring training for concealed carry makes sense . Most of the states that have it require it . I am from Ohio . Ohio has it . Ohio is also a “shall issue ” state . it means , once you complete the course , apply for the permit , and complete the criminal background check (no felonies , of course) , you may receive the permit . Yea , it does not mean that you can behave like Wyatt Earp and his brothers at the O.K. Corral . Ohio has quite a few restrictions on where guns are allowed , and not allowed [to deal with the concealed – carry permits] . But , here murders are waaay down . Not in Chicago . Their murder rate is “through the roof . ”

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… Screw the (Illinois Gun) Bill , and Try Again …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Sunday,June 16th,2013

History of handgun carry permit laws, 1986-pre...

History of handgun carry permit laws, 1986-present. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Are They ? Everyone thinks they might . But , Screw the F.O.I.D.

.. Illinois Legislature Set to End Concealed Carry Ban ..

.. the Illinois legislature has acted , but is it enough ? Will Governor Quinn sign the bill , or will he veto it ? Also , will the Federal Appeallate Circuit Court accept what they have done ? Is it enough ?

.. The Illinois legislature has complied with an appeals court ruling that their concealed carry ban was unconstitutional . Governor Quinn has not said whether he’ll sign the bill or not . It may not matter , though . The bill passed in the legislature with enough votes to override a veto.

.. The new law would allow the Illinois State Police to issue a carry permit to law-abiding Illinois residents who pass the required 16-hour training and pay a $150 fee (a shall – issue law ) . A gun owner must also have a state-issued Firearms Owner Identification card (FOID) to buy a gun in Illinois . Evidently , there have been a record number FOID applications each month, leading to a backlog as police try to process them all . Adding up the expense of buying a carry gun , the $10 FOID fee, the training classes , and $150 application fee , Valinda Rowe , of the group Illinois Carry, expressed concern that this law will deprive poor people from the ability to partake of their civil right of self – defense .

.. I agree . You have to pay , just to be able to have a firearm license . Being an adult , with legal ID , that should be id enough . Screw the FOID .

.. This bill is just to carry the gun outside of the home . In Illinois , right now , that is illegal . It was the cause of a huge legal fight . The result was a historic court decision , Moore v. Madigan , where the U.S. 7th Appeallate Circuit Court threw out the Illinois law . It then gave the state just six months to fix the issue .

Whether  they have done so , that is what is at dispute .

.. The decision may also affect the ability of the citizens of Illinois to carry their weapons on a concealed – carry basis . In Illinois , forget it . You cannot do it . Given current circumstances , especially in Chicago , It is this latter group of people who may need concealed carry the most. Despite inclement weather, Chicago gangs shot eight more people between Thursday afternoon and Friday morning. According to BET:

Chicago’s murder rate is widely considered to be fueled by the drug wars that are fought between the city’s network of gangs. The homicide rate has been largely confined to the city’s south and west areas, African-American bastions of Chicago.

.. The new carry law is a step forward, but it nevertheless is a gun control law, controlling how and where law-abiding citizens can legally carry. It contains a clause saving Chicago’s “assault weapons” ban. It raises the financial bar for those who want to carry legally, maintaining the imbalance of power in favor of those who ignore laws.

.. Once again , gun control has been shown to be racist . The bad guys did not wait for a law to be passed before carrying concealed firearms . Blood is already running in the streets of Chicago , despite it having the strictest gun control laws in the country. Those suffering the most, poorer Blacks living in Chicago , risk being barred once again from their right to keep and bear arms.

 

— Update — since I finished this , this popped up on the Drudge Report . You expect people to go out on the streets , undefended , and try to deal with the bad guys , when you are unarmed , and they have the guns .

.. people have an inherent right to defend themselves . they obviously have a right to own guns . part of what makes us American is the right to defend ourselves . Especially when there is evil on the streets , evil that makes us feel unsafe .

.. People should have a reasonable right to concealed carry . No , do not turn the streets into the Wild West . But make the streets safer . Make sure that the good guys are armed . Also , provide for reasonable rules for concealed – carry for everyone . They should have to be trained and pass a course to have a weapon concealed . But , it should be allowed . Not banned .

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