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… Concealed Carry is Coming , Govenor Quinn — Get Over It …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,July 9th,2013

Concealed Carry is Coming , Patrick

Get Over It

.. today is the day .

.. and , the Illinois Legislature should fully reject Governor Pat Quinn ’ s gun bill changes

.. today , the General Assembly will convene in Springfield. Its first action should be a swift override of Governor Pat Quinn’s amendatory veto of the concealed carry bill.

.. the short porch is this — the U. S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals has found Illinois longstanding and outright ban on firearm being carried by civilians unconstitutional . This ban applies completely to any guns , at all , period . Not just to concealed – carry , contrary to news reports . The carry ban in public is gone , period . End of Story .

.. The Appeals Court has given the State of Illinois until July 9th [today] to come up with a full solution . This state is , at this moment , remains the last state in the union with no provision for firearm carry by ordinary citizens.

.. State Rep. Brandon Phelps , D-Harrisburg, a longtime Second Amendment defender, is one of the sponsors and was one of the lead downstate negotiators on legislation that finally got enough Chicago Democrats — including House Speaker Michael Madigan and Senate President John Cullerton — on board.

.. Amazingly enough , a fairly neutral bill made its way through the Illinois Legislature .  A bill hardly light on background checks , carry restrictions , no – gun zones , training , and other serious matters easily cleared both chambers with impressive super-majority votes in both chambers: 89-28 in the House and 45-12 in the Senate. The final bill was no sweetheart of the National Rifle Association or the Illinois State Rifle Association, which both backed up and took a formal positions of “neutral.” Some of those groups own members, as well as other pro – gun groups, ripped the potential law as too restrictive, vague and open to abuse by police.

.. Incredibly enough , Governor Quinn did not want to call it a day . He wanted a stronger bill . One which may not meet the requirements of the Appeals Court . A week before the court-imposed deadline for action, Quinn used his amendatory veto powers to issue a broad rewrite of the carry bill . Quinn ’ s rewrite would make permits even tougher to get , and it would further reduce the already-restricted places the public could carry. If not overridden, his veto effectively guts the bill.

.. Whether his actions were spurred by deep conviction , or they were motivated by practical politics, the governor’s broad amendatory veto overreached.

.. Quinn , for all his traits, seem to have waved a dismissive hand at everyone outside the city limits of Chicago, not to mention some well-informed people there who can strongly argue that guns are not the cause of Chicago’s horrendous homicide problem.

.. The Appeals Court , and the people of the State of Illinois have spoken . They have acted through their elected representatives , and they support concealed carry. Quinn’s attempt to gut the bill seems to speak volumes of his disregard for citizens other than those from his own shrinking fan club.

.. State Representative Phelps has already filed his motion to override, and he believes the bill as originally sent to Quinn has the support of both the membership numbers and the legislative leadership.

.. Quinn’s amendatory veto is bad law and bad politics.

.. The General Assembly needs to override Quinn’s veto in its entirety and send him a clear message: This political fight is over .

.. then , and only then , will the Appeals Court act , and then they may accept this bill , and think about it . They may not . Moore v. Madigan would then go into full effect . Then all hell would break loose in Illinois . Even POTUS may well be drawn into the fray .

.. The old carry ban would be gone . Not only that , the concealed – carry ban would be gone , as well . The Illinois Legislature would then have to step in , somehow .

It would turn the streets and woodlands of the state into the Wild West .

.. to be honest , that may not be such a bad idea . The bad guys and gals would have to be afraid . Very afraid . The people that they would be trying to pick on would finally be able to legally defend themselves . It is about damn time !

== Update [July 9th,2013] ==

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Illinois was poised to become the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns as lawmakers rushed Tuesday to finalize a proposal ahead of a federal court’s deadline.

Both chambers of the Legislature were convening to try to override changes Gov. Pat Quinn made to the bill they approved more than a month ago. Even some critics of the law argued approving something was better than letting the courts allow virtually unregulated concealed weapons in Chicago, which has endured severe gun violence in recent months.

The Senate planned to take up the measure Tuesday, after the House voted 77-31 to override the Democratic governor’s amendatory veto. Quinn had used his veto authority to suggest changes such as prohibiting guns in restaurants that serve alcohol and limiting gun-toting citizens to one firearm at a time.

LEC here — the Illinois House has now voted . It is now time for the Illinois Senate to do likewise …

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… Screw the (Illinois Gun) Bill , and Try Again …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Sunday,June 16th,2013

History of handgun carry permit laws, 1986-pre...

History of handgun carry permit laws, 1986-present. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Are They ? Everyone thinks they might . But , Screw the F.O.I.D.

.. Illinois Legislature Set to End Concealed Carry Ban ..

.. the Illinois legislature has acted , but is it enough ? Will Governor Quinn sign the bill , or will he veto it ? Also , will the Federal Appeallate Circuit Court accept what they have done ? Is it enough ?

.. The Illinois legislature has complied with an appeals court ruling that their concealed carry ban was unconstitutional . Governor Quinn has not said whether he’ll sign the bill or not . It may not matter , though . The bill passed in the legislature with enough votes to override a veto.

.. The new law would allow the Illinois State Police to issue a carry permit to law-abiding Illinois residents who pass the required 16-hour training and pay a $150 fee (a shall – issue law ) . A gun owner must also have a state-issued Firearms Owner Identification card (FOID) to buy a gun in Illinois . Evidently , there have been a record number FOID applications each month, leading to a backlog as police try to process them all . Adding up the expense of buying a carry gun , the $10 FOID fee, the training classes , and $150 application fee , Valinda Rowe , of the group Illinois Carry, expressed concern that this law will deprive poor people from the ability to partake of their civil right of self – defense .

.. I agree . You have to pay , just to be able to have a firearm license . Being an adult , with legal ID , that should be id enough . Screw the FOID .

.. This bill is just to carry the gun outside of the home . In Illinois , right now , that is illegal . It was the cause of a huge legal fight . The result was a historic court decision , Moore v. Madigan , where the U.S. 7th Appeallate Circuit Court threw out the Illinois law . It then gave the state just six months to fix the issue .

Whether  they have done so , that is what is at dispute .

.. The decision may also affect the ability of the citizens of Illinois to carry their weapons on a concealed – carry basis . In Illinois , forget it . You cannot do it . Given current circumstances , especially in Chicago , It is this latter group of people who may need concealed carry the most. Despite inclement weather, Chicago gangs shot eight more people between Thursday afternoon and Friday morning. According to BET:

Chicago’s murder rate is widely considered to be fueled by the drug wars that are fought between the city’s network of gangs. The homicide rate has been largely confined to the city’s south and west areas, African-American bastions of Chicago.

.. The new carry law is a step forward, but it nevertheless is a gun control law, controlling how and where law-abiding citizens can legally carry. It contains a clause saving Chicago’s “assault weapons” ban. It raises the financial bar for those who want to carry legally, maintaining the imbalance of power in favor of those who ignore laws.

.. Once again , gun control has been shown to be racist . The bad guys did not wait for a law to be passed before carrying concealed firearms . Blood is already running in the streets of Chicago , despite it having the strictest gun control laws in the country. Those suffering the most, poorer Blacks living in Chicago , risk being barred once again from their right to keep and bear arms.


— Update — since I finished this , this popped up on the Drudge Report . You expect people to go out on the streets , undefended , and try to deal with the bad guys , when you are unarmed , and they have the guns .

.. people have an inherent right to defend themselves . they obviously have a right to own guns . part of what makes us American is the right to defend ourselves . Especially when there is evil on the streets , evil that makes us feel unsafe .

.. People should have a reasonable right to concealed carry . No , do not turn the streets into the Wild West . But make the streets safer . Make sure that the good guys are armed . Also , provide for reasonable rules for concealed – carry for everyone . They should have to be trained and pass a course to have a weapon concealed . But , it should be allowed . Not banned .

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… Andrew Cuomo is Nuts …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Saturday,May 25th,2013

.. Andrew Cuomo is currently Governor of the State of New York . Governor . Not Dictator . He may well have some power to remove the sheriff of an individual county in New York . However , this is New York State .

.. Nothing is quite that easy in this state . He likely either has to answer to the legislature , or to the Circuit Court of Appeals , New York ‘

English: Andrew Cuomo, 11th United States Secr...

Andrew Cuomo (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

s highest court . Even if he can remove them on his own , without them , he cannot just do so without repercussions . Moral , as well as political . Especially in the affected county .

.. The county could act and remove the appointed sheriff , since New York State counties are all home – rule . They have an elected executive , with a county legislature . Also , the counties are not small . It would affect at least 1 or more State Senate Districts , and 2 or more State Assembly Districts . And both chambers would not like the precedent , either .

.. It would also destroy his law-and-order chances at re-election time . If one were indeed a sheriff , they should call his bluff . They enforce the law . They understand the law , ususally , far better than a Governor does . Whether it will work , or not . New York ‘ s century-old Sullivan Law is a big enough headache . SAFE is much worse . To be honest , if seriously challenged , both the Sullivan Law and SAFE are unconstitutional .

… from PJM tatler (bryan preston) …

Tyrant: Cuomo Threatens to Remove Sheriffs If They Publicly Oppose His Gun Law

Posted By Bryan Preston On May 24, 2013 @ 7:42 am In Politics | 5 Comments

As the saying goes, scratch a liberal and you’ll find a tyrant underneath. NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo is but the latest example. He shoved a very restrictive and ill-considered gun law through the state legislature in the dead of night. Among its flaws, the law criminalized police officers who tote firearms with magazines that hold more than seven rounds. Sheriffs around the state have objected to the law. Cuomo summoned them to the state capitol under what appears to be a false pretext, and used the meeting to threaten them into silence.

Cuomo invited its leaders to the Capitol last month, people briefed on the meeting said. The group included Sheriffs’ Association Executive Director Peter Kehoe and Chemung County Sheriff Christopher Moss.

“We didn’t get a response (to the analysis) from him, but we could tell after the budget was passed that none of those recommendations were taken into consideration,” Moss said. “When we got there, we never got to the contents of the letter.”

Instead, Cuomo pushed the sheriffs to stop publicly speaking out against the act, Moss said.

“The governor was of the opinion that the sheriffs around the state should not be interjecting their personal opinions in reference to the law,” Moss said, adding that Cuomo said sheriffs can’t do that and enforce the law.

One person briefed on the meeting said Cuomo threatened to remove sheriffs from office, a little-used power afforded the state’s chief executive under the state constitution.

That would be an abuse of power. It would also not be out of character for Cuomo or, for that matter, Democrats writ large. Two of the three major Obama scandals — snooping on the press and the IRS — involve rampant abuses of power. Cuomo’s own tactics in passing the SAFE Act could be construed as abuses of power, as he used emergency provisions to waive the normal three-day public examination period. Legislators were not even afforded enough time to read the law they were voting on. The SAFE Act was not a response to any real emergency, but it did fulfill Cuomo’s wish to get a landmark bill through as quickly as possible.

and … [h/t Liberty News Network]

Cuomo to State Sheriffs: Shut Up About Gun Law or Risk Termination

On May 21, 2013, in Andrew Cuomo, Gun Control, New York, by Rusty Weiss

What many had assumed would be a meeting regarding New York State Sheriffs’ Association

concerns about New York’s strict new gun laws, turned into a verbal scolding from the

Governor which included the threat of some people’s jobs if they didn’t toe the line

and shut up about the SAFE Act.

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… the Good Guys need the Guns , Greg …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Monday,April 8th,2013

.. See , Greg Sargent writes the Plum Line at the Washington Post . Yea , I know , it is a liberal blog / rag , but it is rich in material to tee off on against the forces of the radical left . Who better to pick on than one of them . Hey , y ‘ a gotta see what the enemy is up to in order to better deal with them ..

.. In this instance , it is dealing with the Gun issue . Yea , you bet it is current . Dingy Harry and his crowd want to bring forth a gun grab bill to the U S Senate floor sometime soon . And Sargeant and his ilk are trying to help pave the way ..

.. Well , let us remind him : …

[-] Criminals break the Law ..

[-] the Rest of Us Obey the Law ..

[-] those of Us who choose to do so have a right to defend ourselves . Preferrably , with a gun ..

[-] Those gun grab bills will affect the good guys , not the bad guys , dummies ..

[-] enforce the current laws , and weed out the failed one(s) ,

[-] ‘ nuff said ..

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