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… Concealed Carry is Coming , Govenor Quinn — Get Over It …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Tuesday,July 9th,2013

Concealed Carry is Coming , Patrick

Get Over It

.. today is the day .

.. and , the Illinois Legislature should fully reject Governor Pat Quinn ’ s gun bill changes

.. today , the General Assembly will convene in Springfield. Its first action should be a swift override of Governor Pat Quinn’s amendatory veto of the concealed carry bill.

.. the short porch is this — the U. S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals has found Illinois longstanding and outright ban on firearm being carried by civilians unconstitutional . This ban applies completely to any guns , at all , period . Not just to concealed – carry , contrary to news reports . The carry ban in public is gone , period . End of Story .

.. The Appeals Court has given the State of Illinois until July 9th [today] to come up with a full solution . This state is , at this moment , remains the last state in the union with no provision for firearm carry by ordinary citizens.

.. State Rep. Brandon Phelps , D-Harrisburg, a longtime Second Amendment defender, is one of the sponsors and was one of the lead downstate negotiators on legislation that finally got enough Chicago Democrats — including House Speaker Michael Madigan and Senate President John Cullerton — on board.

.. Amazingly enough , a fairly neutral bill made its way through the Illinois Legislature .  A bill hardly light on background checks , carry restrictions , no – gun zones , training , and other serious matters easily cleared both chambers with impressive super-majority votes in both chambers: 89-28 in the House and 45-12 in the Senate. The final bill was no sweetheart of the National Rifle Association or the Illinois State Rifle Association, which both backed up and took a formal positions of “neutral.” Some of those groups own members, as well as other pro – gun groups, ripped the potential law as too restrictive, vague and open to abuse by police.

.. Incredibly enough , Governor Quinn did not want to call it a day . He wanted a stronger bill . One which may not meet the requirements of the Appeals Court . A week before the court-imposed deadline for action, Quinn used his amendatory veto powers to issue a broad rewrite of the carry bill . Quinn ’ s rewrite would make permits even tougher to get , and it would further reduce the already-restricted places the public could carry. If not overridden, his veto effectively guts the bill.

.. Whether his actions were spurred by deep conviction , or they were motivated by practical politics, the governor’s broad amendatory veto overreached.

.. Quinn , for all his traits, seem to have waved a dismissive hand at everyone outside the city limits of Chicago, not to mention some well-informed people there who can strongly argue that guns are not the cause of Chicago’s horrendous homicide problem.

.. The Appeals Court , and the people of the State of Illinois have spoken . They have acted through their elected representatives , and they support concealed carry. Quinn’s attempt to gut the bill seems to speak volumes of his disregard for citizens other than those from his own shrinking fan club.

.. State Representative Phelps has already filed his motion to override, and he believes the bill as originally sent to Quinn has the support of both the membership numbers and the legislative leadership.

.. Quinn’s amendatory veto is bad law and bad politics.

.. The General Assembly needs to override Quinn’s veto in its entirety and send him a clear message: This political fight is over .

.. then , and only then , will the Appeals Court act , and then they may accept this bill , and think about it . They may not . Moore v. Madigan would then go into full effect . Then all hell would break loose in Illinois . Even POTUS may well be drawn into the fray .

.. The old carry ban would be gone . Not only that , the concealed – carry ban would be gone , as well . The Illinois Legislature would then have to step in , somehow .

It would turn the streets and woodlands of the state into the Wild West .

.. to be honest , that may not be such a bad idea . The bad guys and gals would have to be afraid . Very afraid . The people that they would be trying to pick on would finally be able to legally defend themselves . It is about damn time !

== Update [July 9th,2013] ==

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — Illinois was poised to become the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns as lawmakers rushed Tuesday to finalize a proposal ahead of a federal court’s deadline.

Both chambers of the Legislature were convening to try to override changes Gov. Pat Quinn made to the bill they approved more than a month ago. Even some critics of the law argued approving something was better than letting the courts allow virtually unregulated concealed weapons in Chicago, which has endured severe gun violence in recent months.

The Senate planned to take up the measure Tuesday, after the House voted 77-31 to override the Democratic governor’s amendatory veto. Quinn had used his veto authority to suggest changes such as prohibiting guns in restaurants that serve alcohol and limiting gun-toting citizens to one firearm at a time.

LEC here — the Illinois House has now voted . It is now time for the Illinois Senate to do likewise …

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… Screw the (Illinois Gun) Bill , and Try Again …

Posted by paulfromwloh on Sunday,June 16th,2013

History of handgun carry permit laws, 1986-pre...

History of handgun carry permit laws, 1986-present. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Are They ? Everyone thinks they might . But , Screw the F.O.I.D.

.. Illinois Legislature Set to End Concealed Carry Ban ..

.. the Illinois legislature has acted , but is it enough ? Will Governor Quinn sign the bill , or will he veto it ? Also , will the Federal Appeallate Circuit Court accept what they have done ? Is it enough ?

.. The Illinois legislature has complied with an appeals court ruling that their concealed carry ban was unconstitutional . Governor Quinn has not said whether he’ll sign the bill or not . It may not matter , though . The bill passed in the legislature with enough votes to override a veto.

.. The new law would allow the Illinois State Police to issue a carry permit to law-abiding Illinois residents who pass the required 16-hour training and pay a $150 fee (a shall – issue law ) . A gun owner must also have a state-issued Firearms Owner Identification card (FOID) to buy a gun in Illinois . Evidently , there have been a record number FOID applications each month, leading to a backlog as police try to process them all . Adding up the expense of buying a carry gun , the $10 FOID fee, the training classes , and $150 application fee , Valinda Rowe , of the group Illinois Carry, expressed concern that this law will deprive poor people from the ability to partake of their civil right of self – defense .

.. I agree . You have to pay , just to be able to have a firearm license . Being an adult , with legal ID , that should be id enough . Screw the FOID .

.. This bill is just to carry the gun outside of the home . In Illinois , right now , that is illegal . It was the cause of a huge legal fight . The result was a historic court decision , Moore v. Madigan , where the U.S. 7th Appeallate Circuit Court threw out the Illinois law . It then gave the state just six months to fix the issue .

Whether  they have done so , that is what is at dispute .

.. The decision may also affect the ability of the citizens of Illinois to carry their weapons on a concealed – carry basis . In Illinois , forget it . You cannot do it . Given current circumstances , especially in Chicago , It is this latter group of people who may need concealed carry the most. Despite inclement weather, Chicago gangs shot eight more people between Thursday afternoon and Friday morning. According to BET:

Chicago’s murder rate is widely considered to be fueled by the drug wars that are fought between the city’s network of gangs. The homicide rate has been largely confined to the city’s south and west areas, African-American bastions of Chicago.

.. The new carry law is a step forward, but it nevertheless is a gun control law, controlling how and where law-abiding citizens can legally carry. It contains a clause saving Chicago’s “assault weapons” ban. It raises the financial bar for those who want to carry legally, maintaining the imbalance of power in favor of those who ignore laws.

.. Once again , gun control has been shown to be racist . The bad guys did not wait for a law to be passed before carrying concealed firearms . Blood is already running in the streets of Chicago , despite it having the strictest gun control laws in the country. Those suffering the most, poorer Blacks living in Chicago , risk being barred once again from their right to keep and bear arms.


— Update — since I finished this , this popped up on the Drudge Report . You expect people to go out on the streets , undefended , and try to deal with the bad guys , when you are unarmed , and they have the guns .

.. people have an inherent right to defend themselves . they obviously have a right to own guns . part of what makes us American is the right to defend ourselves . Especially when there is evil on the streets , evil that makes us feel unsafe .

.. People should have a reasonable right to concealed carry . No , do not turn the streets into the Wild West . But make the streets safer . Make sure that the good guys are armed . Also , provide for reasonable rules for concealed – carry for everyone . They should have to be trained and pass a course to have a weapon concealed . But , it should be allowed . Not banned .

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